Gita 4.32 and 4.34: The Fifth Veda, Tatvadarshi Saint and the Secret to Complete Liberation

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The Secret of the Fifth Veda: The Key to Liberation | Gita 4.32 & 4.34

In these two verses, the Giver of the Gita reveals that there is a "Higher Knowledge" beyond the four Vedas, delivered directly by the Supreme God Himself. This knowledge is the only path to becoming "completely liberated."

I. The Revelation of the Swasam Ved (Verse 4.32)

The Verse (4.32):

"Evam bahuvidha yajnya vitata brahmano mukhe | Karmajan viddhi tan sarvan evam jnatva vimokshyase ||"

The Translation (in Essence):

"Various types of religious activities (Yagyas) are elaborately explained in the Fifth Veda (Swasam Ved) through the lotus-mouth of the Supreme God. Knowing this, you will be completely liberated."

The Technical Secret:

• Brahmanah Mukhe: Traditionalists translate this as "the mouth of the Vedas," but the true meaning is the "Mouth of the Supreme God" (Param Akshar Brahm).
• The Fifth Veda: The four Vedas (Rig, Yaju, Sama, Atharva) were given by Kaal. They describe the rules of his 21 universes. However, the "Swasam Ved" (also called Suksham Veda) is the speech delivered directly by Kabir Saheb when He appears in this world as a child or a Saint.
• The Promise: The speaker admits that knowing this specific Veda—not the four Vedas he has already mentioned—will lead to being "completely liberated."

II. Why the "Fifth Veda" is Different

The four Vedas are like a Prison Rulebook. They tell you how to live a "good life" inside the prison (the 21 universes) so you can get better meals (heaven).

The Swasam Ved (Suksham Veda) is like a Pardon from the King.

1. It reveals the identity of the True Father (Supreme God).
2. It reveals the map of the Eternal Abode (Satlok).
3. It provides the "Satnaam" (True Mantras) that the four Vedas do not contain.

III. Connecting 4.32 to 4.34: The Roadmap

This is where it hits the bullseye. The speaker provides a two-step process for the seeker:

The Logic: If the knowledge is in the Fifth Veda (which is not commonly available), you must find the specific teacher who possesses it. A regular pundit who only knows the four Vedas cannot help you, because he is teaching from the "Prison Rulebook," not the "Pardon."

IV. Why Does the Speaker Point to the "Fifth Veda"?

In his moments of honesty, Kaal Brahm (the speaker) acts as a signpost. He admits:

• "I have many births and deaths (4.5)."
• "I am the Destroyer of worlds (11.32)."
• "The true liberating knowledge was spoken by the Supreme God in the Fifth Veda (4.32)."

By pointing to the Fifth Veda, he is giving the soul a chance to escape his own jurisdiction. He is essentially saying, "If you want the truth that I cannot give you, go to the source I just mentioned."

The Ultimate Instruction: Finding the Tattvadarshi Saint | Gita 4.34

In Gita 4.34, the Giver of the Gita provides a command that changes the course of a devotee's journey. He tells Arjuna that the "Complete Knowledge" cannot be found simply by reading or by listening to him alone—it must be obtained from a living witness of the Truth.

I. The Verse (4.34)

"Tadviddhi pranipatena pariprashnena sevaya | Upadekshyanti te jnanam jnaninas tattva-darshinah ||"

The Translation:

"Understand that (True Knowledge) by prostrating yourself before Tattvadarshi Saints, by questioning them with a simple spirit, and by serving them. Those Jnanis (Saints) who have seen the Tattva (Truth) will instruct you in that Knowledge."

II. Why the Speaker Directs Arjuna Elsewhere

This verse is the ultimate proof that the Giver of the Gita is not the "All-Knowing" Supreme God.

1. Limited Jurisdiction: The speaker (Kaal) knows the laws of the 21 universes, but he does not possess the "Tatvgyan" (Complete Knowledge) required to reach the Eternal Abode (Satlok).
2. The Living Link: He instructs Arjuna to find a Tattvadarshi Saint—someone who has physically or spiritually "seen" the Supreme God and the structure of the creation beyond the three Gunas.
3. The Admission: By saying "They will instruct you," the speaker admits, "I am not the one who will give you the final secret."

III. The Three Requirements for the Seeker

The speaker outlines exactly how a student must approach a True Saint:

• Pranipatena (Prostration/Humility): One must go without ego. If you go to a Saint thinking you already know the Vedas, your "cup" is too full to receive new water.
• Pariprashnena (Sincere Questioning): You must ask questions not to argue, but to understand. For example: "Who is the Supreme God mentioned in 18.62?" or "How can I escape the cycle of birth and death?"
• Sevaya (Service): Serving the Saint helps in purifying the mind and developing the dedication necessary to follow the difficult path of True Bhakti.

IV. Who is a Tattvadarshi Saint?

A Tattvadarshi Saint is not just a scholar or a pundit.

• The Vision: He is one who has the "Eye of Knowledge" (13.34) and can explain the "Inverted Tree" of the world (15.1–4).
• The Evidence: He can show the difference between Kshar Purush (the speaker), Akshar Purush, and Param Akshar Brahm (the Supreme God).
• The Power: He provides the Satnaam (True Mantra) which is the only "key" that opens the locks of the 21 universes managed by Kaal.

V. The Result of Finding This Saint

The speaker follows this up in Verse 4.35, stating that once you receive this knowledge from a Tattvadarshi Saint:

"You will never again fall into such delusion, and by this knowledge, you will see all living beings in the Supreme Soul, and then in Me (Kaal)."

This means you will finally understand the family tree—that we all belong to the Supreme Father (Kabir) but are currently trapped in the kingdom of the step-father (Kaal).

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

1. Why haven't I heard of the "Fifth Veda" before?

Because it is "Suksham" (Subtle). It is preserved by the lineage of True Saints. It is the nectar-speech (Kabir Vani) that was spoken by the Supreme God when He appeared 600 years ago in Kashi, and in every previous Yuga.

2. Can I be liberated by just reading the Bhagavad Gita?

The Gita itself says "No." In 4.32 and 4.34, it tells you that you must know the Fifth Veda and find a Tattvadarshi Saint. The Gita is the evidence that points you to the truth, but it is not the final nectar itself.

3. How is the Fifth Veda "delivered by the lotus-mouth of God"?

Unlike the four Vedas, which were revealed in the heart of Brahma, the Fifth Veda is spoken directly by the Supreme God (KavirDev/Kabir) whenever He descends to this earth. He doesn't need an intermediary; He speaks His own truth.

4. Why didn't the speaker just give the knowledge himself?

Because Kaal is bound by his own rules. He is the master of the "Field" (13.2). His job is to manage the souls in this world. The "Final Knowledge" belongs to the Supreme God, and it is only delivered through His authorized Saints (Messengers).

5. How do I identify a Tattvadarshi Saint today?

Check if the Saint's teachings match the Gita. If a Saint says "I am God" or "You are God," they are not Tattvadarshi. A True Saint will always point to the Param Akshar Brahm and explain the hidden meaning of verses like 15.1 and 18.62.

6. Can I get this knowledge from books?

No. Verse 4.34 specifically says "They (the Saints) will instruct you." It requires a living transmission and the "Eye of Knowledge" that only a Satguru can activate.